Rose on the Austria scandal

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• The last month or so, Democrats, who are steamed that Kerry is getting so much heat over the abortion/communion issue have been trying to paint Archbishop Burke et al., as being shills for the Republican party.  As if Schwarzenegger wouldn’t get the same treatment from them as would Kerry.  As if the whole Canon 915 debate is merely politics.  Give me a break!  Everything IS politics and NOT faith to those CINOS who are pro-choice. 

  I vote republican, always have.  But Schwarzenegger, Pataki, Giuliani etc.  should be refused communion as well.  I dare to say that almost all catholic republicans who follow this would say the same.  How could you say otherwise?  So this partisan attack doesn’t hold water.

• Partisan attack? You don’t know me very well, do you? I am probably more Republican than most Catholics would feel comfortable being. In fact, I’m saying the same thing you’re saying: that every Catholic Republican should be incensed that pro-abortion Catholics pols alone are getting prime time spots at the convention while Catholic pols who actually put their faith into practice are snubbed.

  And I said precisely what you said that this is not about politics and that pro-abort Catholic Republicans should be treated the same as pro-abort Catholic Dems. Unfortunately, most bishops are ignoring them equally.

• BC—is there any bishop who has applied Canon 915 to a Democrat and not to a Republican who has held similar if not identical positions and statements on abortion?

• Pro-abortion (is there really a choice?) Repubicans are even more slimey than Democrats for we expect that the values of the latter are in the near suburbs of Sodom, while Republicans at least espouse moral values.  The issue it seems is just how far the concept of murdering an unborn child reaches into the conscience of the person and allows him to overcome his normal lazy thinking.  In the case of the three Republicans mentioned and many others as well, politics triumphs over moral law.  And it is there that the bishops should be providing fraternal correction.  Except that most of the bishops are as lazy and cowardly as the politicians…enjoying too much of the Sodomic good life to be bothered with acting like loving but firm shepherds.
  Our politicians may not have been so completely corrupted of the evils of modern nihilism if the bishops had fulfilled their duties.  But then there are those dinners, those titles, those residences, trips to Rome, etc.  Gosh, why blow a good time?

• Dom,

  Aye Caramba, my first post here in months and I flub it.  My poor writing has caused you to completely misunderstood me.  Sorry!  The partisan attackers I was referring to are those on the left who are trying to say Burke, Sheridan, et. al. are carrying the Republican’s water.  My take, the same as yours I believe, is:  NO THEY’RE NOT.  They view all pro-abort politicians equally regardless of political ideology.  Canon 915 applies to Schwarzenegger as well as to Kerry.  It just so happens that Kerry, a dem, is running for pres.  If a catholic republican pro-abort were running for pres., Burke’s stance would not change.  That’s why I say their (leftist journalists, Kerry camp etc.) partisan attack doesn’t hold water. 

  BTW, I’ve been reading this blog almost daily for the last 6 months, so I feel like I know you.  Keep up the great work!

• Sorry for misunderstanding you Brian and for coming down on you like a ton of bricks. Thanks for reading!

• PS The Austrian press takes pains to point out that the Rector and Vice Rector were not Austrian but GERMAN, who are always leading the poor Austrians astray – and that the chief suspect is POLISH.

  PPS Podles is a Polish name

• Who knows?  But then there are a lot of things that happen in Catholic-land that I would have thought not possible when I converted….

  The whole thing is getting more and more pathetic every day.

• Bryan:

  Mr. Podles is right.  St. Mary’s in Baltimore in also known as The Pink Palace.

  AKJ

• [Blog owner’s note: I have edited this comment to remove certain explicit language.]

  Lee writes: Could anyone have been stupid enough to allow himself to be photographed doing such things?

  I thought the same thing about the Abu Ghraib photos. But there they are. People are strange; they rarely stop to think about the consequences of what they do. How does a president, in this day and age, think he’s going to get away with having sexual relations with an intern in the Oval Office, then lying about it on national TV? It happened. I mentioned the other day on a blog a guy I used to know 12 or so years ago, a well-known public figure who used to go into rest area bathrooms to have gay sex. When I asked him why he did this, he said the risk of being caught—the thrill of danger—was part of the pleasure of doing it. I mean, this guy would have been completely ruined had he been arrested. But he did it anyway, and for all I know still does it.

  (By the way, this same guy used to have something called the “Damron Guide,” a sort of Baedeker for gay travelers. I kid you not, it advised readers of which parts of given locales were “cruisy,” meaning a place where you can pick up a stranger in public for sex in the bushes, or wherever. I seem to recall him showing me that St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore was listed as “cruisy”—that is, it was a great place to pick up men for [oral sex]. My friend taunted me with this, because I was being drawn to the Catholic Church, and he wanted me to knock it off. My becoming a Catholic ultimately helped end our friendship.)

• Cardinal Keeler claims to have quietly cleaned up St. Mary’s; I hope this is true, but my wife is suspicious of the new ordinands. One used to be a landscape architect, which, she claims, is a heavily gay profession.

  Women seem to notice these things more than men do. She and the other mothers spotted an assistant at the church immediately. He was a big guy, and I thought they were being harsh on him.  But he was a finicky master of ceremonies, and eventually left the priesthood and paraded around town with his lover.

• I think it was Chesterton who said that the only way forward into the future was to take a step back…

• Cardinal Keeler claims to have quietly cleaned up St. Maryded>Some people say the current war against radical Islamic terrorists began on 9/11. Others look back to November 1979 and the Iranian hostage crisis. But the roots of the problem are almost as old as Islam itself. Marvin Olasky, editor of the Evangelical news magazine World[/url] is visiting Turkey and sees the historical roots of the fight. He examines the symbolism of the Hagia Sophia’s transformation of one of the greatest churches of Christendom into a drab, if immense, mosque, while a new ornate and immense mosque was built nearby to outdo what the Christians did. He also examines the underground cities in which Byzantine Christians hid from Muslim invaders, as well as the martial religious imagests who have a problem with pro-abortion Catholic politicians. Lest anyone accuse me of partisanship on this issue, I think the same sanctions should be applied to Republicans of the same ilk. At CWN’s Off the Record, Phil Lawler notes that three keynote speeches at the GOP convention will be given by pro-abortion Catholics: Schwarzenegger, Pataki, Giuliani. In fact, as Kate O’Beirne points out, the only conservative with a prime time speaking spot at the convention is Democrat Zell Miller.

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  If he does come down hard on Arnold, it won’t be over abortion.