Today is a great feast day in the Church, the Feast of the Archangels: Donatello, Leonardo, and Rafaello. No wait, those are the Ninja Turles. I meant Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.
Happy feast day!
Today is a great feast day in the Church, the Feast of the Archangels: Donatello, Leonardo, and Rafaello. No wait, those are the Ninja Turles. I meant Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.
Happy feast day!
Dom, do you know of any Catholic source that delves into the names of the fallen angels? I know it’s a weird question, but I ask it after reading this article in The Tablet that Lee Penn sent to me. It names fallen angels, and I’ve never heard of them before.
I looked up Opus Angelorum on the web and found Opus Sanctorum Angelorum which looks very traditional and not at all weird as The Tablet article describes. Yet they both seem to have the same name, Opus Sanctorum Angelorum is focused on angels as well, and the web address for this group leaves out the “Sanctorum”. Do you know anything?
Sorry, I am completely blank on this topic.
Weren’t there originally FOUR Archangels.
Lucifer, the light bearer, being the fourth.
I don’t know of any angels names, fallen or otherwise, other than these four.
I heard (or, “read on a book jacket”) there were something like seven archangels.
Hey, Roberts was just confirmed with 78 votes in favor. Guess I was right about him being confirmed easily, and that it’s not necessary to nominate someone without a track record.
What about Michealangelo (fourth TAMNT* that is).
*TAMNT = Teen Aged Mutant Ninja Turtle
What about Michealangelo (fourth TAMNT* that is).
*TAMNT = Teen Aged Mutant Ninja Turtle
P.S. Nguoi Dang Chay Here are your seven Archangels and female counterparts, archeiai, from what I believe to be some NEW AGEY, definitely NOT Catholic site. http://www.steliart.com/angelology_archangels_archeiai.html
Perhaps this is where the seven come from.
ALSO, Triduum of Saint Therese of the Child Jesus started today (Feast is Saturday). Nice little shrine with Relic set up in the Carmelite Center in Danvers, MA for those of you close.
Caution!
“Opus (Sanctorum) Angelorum” is based on the writings of a phony 20th-century Austrian mystic; in 1992, the Vatican ordered the organization to stop using her writings, and banned certain devotions, ‘consecrations’, and other practice. The group promised to comply and was thus not banned entirely.
This Tablet article tells about it, and the CDF decree is on this page (scroll down).
RC. Note my comment above:
NEW AGEY, definitely NOT Catholic site.
Would you agree with Lucifer as the fourth?
I thought the fourth archangel was Ariel. Maybe that’s just apochryphal.
I got the impression it was an Orthodox-ish tradition. But again, book jacket or some such …..
Judaism and Christianity recognize seven archangels: Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, Uriel and three others whose names are uncertain – a source of debate by theologians for centuries. They are thought of to be three from the following list of possible candidates: Raziel, Remiel, Sariel, Metatron, Anael, Raguil, Barakiel, Barbiel, Chamael, Jophiel, Zadkiel, Jeduhiel, Simael, Zaphiel, and Aniel.
One post-Talmudic source increases the number to twelve, linking them with the signs of the zodiac, while kabbalists name, with Metatron named first and then repeated as a tenth.
Some new age angelologists also believe there to be twelve archangels instead of the traditional seven: Anthriel, Aquariel, Chamuel, Gabriel, Jophiel, Michael, Omniel, Perpetiel, Raphael, Uriel, Valeoel, and Zadkiel.
Nguoi Dang Chay,
I’ve seen the name Uriel before in lists of angels, but it is not in the Bible. What is the origin on this name? Is it accepted by the Church?
In the Liturgy of the Hours today is listed as the feast of Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, Archangels. Seems like if the Church recognized others they’d be listed too.
Book of Enoch—apocryphal work from 2nd century B.C.
As far as I know, only the big three names are really set. The rest of the names are not accorded status as fact or fiction. Open to speculation, but don’t get wrapped up in it, that sort of thing. Uriel gets pulled in at #4 when they need one for each cardinal point.
RC,
The CDF decree looks legitimate, but did you notice the entry above it was attributed to the Little Pebble? Not a good source.
Where does Metatron come from? I see that name a lot.
You never know which posts of Dom’s will blossom into a vibrant discussion, do you?
Metatron is big in Kaballah.
Played by Alan Rickman in the so-called “movie” ‘Dogma’.
On Lucifer:
Once a most
exalted creature, according to certain Jewish traditions (of. “Latin Life of
Adam and Eve”, 12-16) he became a devil because when God created man in his
own image and likeness (cf. Gen 1:26; 2:7), he refused to acknowledge the
dignity granted to man: Michael obeyed, but the devil and some other angels
rebelled against God because they regarded man as beneath them. As a result
the devil and his angelic followers were cast down to earth to be imprisoned
in hell, which is why they ceaselessly tempt man, trying to make him sin so
as to deprive him of the glory of God.
Source: “The Navarre Bible: Text and Commentaries”. Biblical text
taken from the Revised Standard Version and New Vulgate.
Kell Belle, you alway come through!
Not me…the Navarre Bible folk, Joe o’ Mine.
“Metatron is big in Kaballah.”
Metatron is a Jewish angel? Hmmm.
Are there more of them?
Jewish angels.
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/10216/edition_id/195/format/html/displaystory.html
Carrie, angels—or our understanding of them—originated in the Old Testament. Especially Michael and Gabriel.
They’re not “Jewish” angels. They’re God’s angels.
And ours.
for Joe Soucy: Sorry for any confusion; I was responding to Carrie’s opening question, not commenting on the new-agey site.
for Carrie: yup, the CDF decree is quoted on some page with “Little Pebble” material (speaking of phony mystics!). I should have written, “Yes, I know the other stuff on this page is kook material.” Not that you were in any danger of being lead astray!
There used to be an old Jesuit with an Opus Angelorum study group meeting at Holy Cross in Worcester; I hope he didn’t lead anybody into any error!
Kelly, the Old Testament angels are ours, but the Kabbalah angels aren’t.
Kelly, the Old Testament angels are ours, but the Kabbalah angels aren#8217;t belong to man simply doesn’t exist.
But I think you know that already, right? I’m just trying to clarify what I wrote.
According to the Jewish angelology at this website there are bands of angels called Malach, Irinim, Sarim, Chayyot, Ofanim, Tzera, B’nei ha-Elohim, Kedoshim, Mavet. The website talks about the angelology from the Manual of Discipline found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The last paragraph is an eye-opener:
“Magical uses: The names of angels have apotropaic properties and frequently appear on amulets, magical inscriptions and formula. In the bedtime ritual Kriat Sh’ma al ha-Mitah, the angels Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raphael are invoked for protection through the night. Angels have areas of specialization and can be summoned to assist mortals in these areas, such as learning and memorizing Torah.”
If the article is correct, Hasidic theology encompasses the invocation of angels that actually appear to the student of Kabbalah. That would seem to be the case in the life of Vladimir Soloviev who was studying Kabbalah when Sophia appeared to him.
The article is, obviously, not correct so can we can this discussion?
Thank you.
Kelly <——understands why the Saint Michael prayer was inspired, sheesh;-)