A debate was held at Boston College the other day moderated by Tim Russert and including James Carville and E.J. Dionne on the left and Peggy Noonan and Edward Gillespie, Republican National Committee chairman, on the right. It was billed as a debate on issues of faith and politics as they affect Catholics, but it quickly became focused on a few specific and unsurprising issues.
he wide-ranging discussion, moderated by Tim Russert, host of NBC’s “Meet the Press” and political analyst for “NBC Nightly News” and “The Today Show,” touched issues including euthanasia, same-sex marriage, economic policy, war and peace, federal funding of stem cell research and the Terri Schiavo end-of-life case as well as the nation’s changing voting patterns, role of the church in society and public policy and the connection between Catholic faith and practice by the faithful. But it was abortion, Democratic Catholic politicians, Catholic bishops’ denial of communion to pro-choice candidates and the Catholic voter that took center stage.
Peggy Noonan talked about the event in her most recent Opinion Journal column and how the coarse and degrading turn that the discussion took violated her dignity as a person and as a lady.
The Ragin’ Cajun on masturbation and abortion
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Peggy Noonan’s column in the Opinion Journal was a beautiful essay and a call to recognize the human dignity of every human being. I will follow her lead and be mindful that I don’t “embarrass the angels”.
Other Carville comments: “I’m a moral relativist!” “The Church is silly.” and it’s stance on condoms “Ridiculous.”
This reminds me of a film that I watched last night with my son who rented it, “The Weatherman,”
with Nicolas Cage and Michael Caine; and how it degenerated into coarseness and gratuitous sexual references including those related to a child. Had the story been written forty years ago, it might have made for a fine film, but now we have so cheapened our lives with garbage that sexual degeneracy is as ubiquitously required as food, air and water.
And instead of lowering ourselves to the level of animals, it actually places us even further down the list into the category of nascent putrid demons.
The only problem is that the Cajun has the vast majority of the USCCB behind him. So, none of this is surprising.
This conversation with the Cajun exactly parallels all my conversations with Catholics which is why I generally do not talk to them.
Dom sez “…I know that polemics and bluster are (Carville’s) stock in trade…”
I think it goes beyond that – more like playing the jackel. It’s catching up to him, though; each time I see him, he looks more and more like Skeletor.
There was an article put out by MN Pub. Radio back in ‘04 that I believe explains Dems who rationalize Catholicism:
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/07/29_collinsb_catholics/
What struck me was the Flanagan quote; this gal has created 3 other gods for herself and tried to demote the True One to their level. She’s gone after idols and I’m afraid it’s not something cathesis can solve – we’d just wind up with an educated pagan. She’s at square 1 and needs evangelization/conversion first.
Tom C sez “…I generally do not talk to (Catholics).”
LOL Tom, what did you think we are? 😎
Kidding aside, IIRC you said something similar not too long ago. To be frank, it worries me, because it sounds like you’re cutting yourself off, and stragglers get gobbled up.