Vatican v. Catholics

Vatican v. Catholics

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  • Dom on Law on being “condemnatory” on abortion:

    “Okay, someone tell me in what Law was condemnatory with regard to abortion. Did a single politician feel the heat?”

    I believe many did privately.

    However, I KNOW former Boston Mayor and Clinton appointee Raymond Flynn sure as heck did because I saw and heard it…as did about a zillion kids during a World Youth Day telecast via satellelite, from Denver.

    Yeah, I know Flynn’s pro-life. But the Cardinal, on live TV, in front of the kids, needled him none-too-gently about abortions being performed at (then known as) City Hospital under Flynn’s mayorship, and then went on to suggest that Flynn try telling “his boss” (that would be President Clinton) that abortion is a sin. Many of our parish kids were in Denver with the Cardinal, and were also on TV (it was pretty cool seeing them waving to us, by the way) and they heard it, along with the hundreds of other kids and grown-ups (I was one of the grown-ups, contrary to popular opinion) who saw and heard it too. These kids remember it very well to this day, and so do I.

    And, not at all incidentally, I think that Mr. & Mrs. Clinton and Mr. & Mrs. Gore, among others, felt the heat plenty at the standing O Cardinal Law got at Saint Pat’s in Manhattan when he said, in his funeral Mass homily, that the “Church should remain unambiguously pro-life.” All the networks covered it…up to and including that unbelievably sweet moment when the Gores and the Clintons caved and stood up, applauding along with the rest.

    I’m not crazy about R. Scott Appleby, and not just because I think initials for first names are a tad wacky.

    But in this case, he was right about Cardinal Law, if mistaken about Bishop O’Malley.

    As far as pro-life groups not feeling the heat from Cardinal Law, that’s another topic in my opinion. Except to say that I felt it myself, and I know others did…and we deserved it.

  • Well, the St. Pat’s thing seemed to take the Cardinal by surprise. I don’t think he intended it to have the effect it did. I’m not saying that the Cardinal wasn’t outspokenly pro-life, but what exactly was he “condemnatory” about? In the Flynn case, you had a politician who was already plainly pro-life. That’s a pretty safe bet. But what about Kennedy and Kerry and Celluci and on and on? I wouldn’t call anything he said to them in public condemnatory. And doing it in private doesn’t help convince many Catholic voters to vote pro-life.

    And where was he when Phil Lawler was the only pro-life, orthodox Catholic running for senator against Ted Kennedy? He avoided Phil like the plague. But once when Phil was at a Walk for Life doing a “meet and greet” O’Malley made it a point to go up to Phil, put his arm around him, and make a big point of thanking him for entering the race.

    Yet pro-life groups felt the heat, and not for doing anything wrong. After the John Salvi abortion clinic murders, the cardinal ordered all pro-life sidewalk counseling and praying to stop, thereby lending credence to claims that abortionist killers were part of the pro-life movement.

    And when leaders of the pro-life groups asked to sit down with the cardinal to discuss it, he refused, sending chancery officials instead.

    The cardinal had many good points as archbishop, but he had his flaws as well.

  • I know about the post-Salvi thing, Dom, since I was one of the folks at the residence (Phil was there, as was Bill Cotter and some protestant representatives as well.)

    Personally, I didn’t agree with the order either (that’s why we were all there…to talk about it). But looking back, it’s kinda hard to fault his reasoning: he was concerned for our safety. My regret is that I wasn’t as respectful to him in that instance as I should have been.

    And remember, too, that along with that order was another one: on Saturdays, certain churches throughout the Archdiocese were mandated to provide all-day Adoration of the exposed Sacrament, specifically to pray for the end of abortion.

    Hey, nobody knows more than I do about the flaws of Cardinal Law! (And they’ll never make the papers, either.) He was, and remains, a good friend…so I guess sometimes I feel called upon to defend him.

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