Diogenes notices the incongruity. Some people are claiming that the new Vatican Instruction on gays in seminary says nothing more than that it’s okay for gays to be priests, as long as they’re celibate. But a former priest writing an LA Times op-ed actually gets at the heart of the question despite his opposite intent:
If you’re celibate, as the Catholic Church already requires you to be, then what’s the difference if you’re gay or straight at heart?
What indeed? After all, the Church already requires celibacy of priests, gay or straight, so what’s the need for yet another Instruction saying the same thing?
Because, that’s not what the Instruction is about. The document is saying that self-identification as homosexual, as something that you are now, is a disqualifier for ordination. This is the plain meaning and any other reading of it is disingenuous.
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many dissidents who support gay priests also support women priests..
This report
http://catholicinsight.com/online/feminism/article_622.shtml
shows that the Spirit of Moloch, not the Holy Spirit is driving them!!!
The central assertion of the instruction, as I read it, is that a man who is a homosexual cannot have normal nonsexual relations with either men or women, and hence cannot function as a pastor.
It has nothing to do with being married or not. It doesn’t even have anything to do with being chaste or not.
It is the first attempt in over a hundred years to separate the sin of sodomy from the created nature of the sinner, it denies the very idea of a homosexual as a healthy, well-adjusted person who just happens to prefer ice cream over candy, so to speak.
In other words, it gets right to the heart of the matter.
well, is not a sin to be gay? or is not a sin to fornicate? what do gays do? is it sodomy or fornication? is it the same to have ilegal sexual relations, like a priest with a married woman or is more sinful to have sex between two priests? what’s happening is, that the church is weaken it’s position against sins thanks to the devil itself,is(the devil) deciving everyone with a weapon too common now….LOVE….worst yet….LOVE ONE ANOTHER…… and is being used to attack the church…now,who by and how can anything be done about getting rid of this evil decit as gays in church leading blinds to the pit…….scary?
I agree with JimNoble’s comment—the issue is not celibacy, nor necessarily Dom’s (and Amy’s) theory that self-identification as a homosexual (a priori one’s priesthood) is the issue.
I think the issue is the ‘grave disorder’ which is far more than orifice-selection disorder.
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If R. John Kinkel is representative of the 20000 married priests that left the church, thank goodness. In his world, the Church is irrelvant and dying, I cannot agree more. However, he argues that it is because the “church leaders have become insane” and “have failed miserably…” to “move the faithful on to greater commitment”. Clearly rooting out this type of “faithful” who do not take any responsibility for themselves and continually wish the Church to sanction their thoughts and actions, means the Church is doing her job very well – drawing a line to see which side they stand on. Ironically, when they are placed on the wrong side of the line, they squeal and throw verbal tantrums.