An Italian newspaper claims to have an excerpt from the forthcoming document on gays in the priesthood and they claim it says that practicing homosexuals, men with deep-seated gay tendencies, and those who “openly espouse a gay culture” will be barred from the seminary.According to Il Giornale of Milan, the document says:
“The Church cannot admit to the priesthood those who practice homosexuality, have deeply rooted homosexual tendencies or those who support the so-called ‘gay culture.’”
The document is supposed to be out at the end of the month.
It’s important to keep in mind that Italian newspapers operate on a slightly different standard than American ones. It’s not that they necessarily print innuendo and rumor as fact, but that they apply much less rigor to their stories, require less fact-checking and proof. In other words, take this report with a larger than normal grain of salt.
If we had oil rigs off shore, why not? Lots of new jobs. Since Chelsea already has a big tank farm, it would fit right in.
And with all the regulations, it would be so clean and quiet, we’d never know it was there.
Ifining capacity.
Post-Katrina, many analysts pointed to our weak refining capacity, saying there wasn the fight to allow drilling on the Outer Banks back when Dukakis was Governor.
so how come every time there’s another gas ‘crisis’ the ‘fix’ is to placate the people by releasing another 30 million barrels of oil from the reserve and the ‘nation breathes a little easier’? I always knew that action was fake posturing but why aren’t most of the public aware of the regulations that strangle us? The Katrina situation would have been a perfect time for the current administration to tell it like it is – why didn’t they?
And Walter Williams is the bomb!
I do believe people in the administration were telling it like it is. The problem is that the media were too interested in talking about the evil oil companies and incompetent FEMA.
Oh yes, the American Media is the bastion of impeccable fact-checking and proof.
Signed,
Dan Rather and the entire NYT staff.
If this turns out to be true, it would be a watering down of the ‘61 directive. All that would be required is that active homos lie about their ‘strong tendencies’ (vs ‘weak’ tendencies?) and stay away from gay pride parades.
orthodox,
If a Seminarian is willing to lie about such things, it doesn’t matter if there’s a total ban or not. He’ll just lie about being a homosexual, period.
It’s not just about seminarians lying to gain admission to the seminary; they must see some profit in becoming a priest.
The fact is, at least one reason that “gay” men enter the seminary is that they have become privy to the fact that many priests are “gay” and promote the priesthood as a “gay” profession. For boys who are confused about their sexual orientation and who are troubled about their future, the priesthood can seem an attractive option, particularly if they are being welcome in by those who are like them and are already there.
Once in the priesthood, these guys resist and subvert the authentic teaching office of the Church, thereby confusing still more people (including other young men). It is a rot from within, and it threatens the life of the Body.
If this document says what Il Giornale purports it to say, the floodgates are open.
Reuters says that candidates “can be ordained deacons if they have ‘clearly overcome’ the tendencies for at least three years”.
That’s not “celibacy” or “chastity”, but rather overcoming homosexual tendencies all together. So if Reuters’s take is to be believed, the document will simply allow ex-gays to be ordained.
Of course the letter and spirit of the document won’t be adhered to, because it’s too long and nuanced and because practicing sodomites, who continue to control some dioceses and many religious orders, have no zeal for obeying the Holy Spirit. They are after all blinded to Him by their particular sin. They will distort this like they distort Scripture and Tradition and the holy writ that divinely legislated the shape, function and gender of their bodies. I imagine they would have no trouble circumventing an outright and explicit ban. After all, they’ve been doing so for 44 years.
The only thing the Church will anathematize today is the anathema itself, and perhaps that’s appropriate in our modern culture of hypersensitivity. Hopefully the underlying theology behind this new document will convince some lost soul somewhere that the Church is just and wise.
Dear Domenico,
while in general you’re correct about the Italian media (I’m Italian), the journalist in question – Andrea Tornielli – is a highly respected, strongly orthodox, Vatican expert. Of course, his information may be inaccurate – actually I can’t find the original piece – but Tornielli is usually reliable.
Ciao, Paolo
csprague:
Yes, actually. That’s the greatest difference between the US and European newspaper. Even the very pretense of “objectivity” is American to the bones and unknown in Europe (well … maybe not unknown … let’s just say not universal or even widespread, and certainly neither universally-desired nor -praised.)
There are going to be a lot unhappy people when this document comes out. In the mean time assume that nothing has changed and watch your sons closely until they are old enough to physically defend themselves.
“Itw windfall profits can be good https://www.bettnet.com/?p=6053Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:47:41 -0600
Walter Williams addresses the same issue, and gives a brief lesson on normal profits and windfall profits and why taxing windfall profits is such a bad idea. Part of the reason why oil is so expensive, and why the Gulf Coast hurricanes caused such fluctuations, is because they’re just so expensive in both money and regulatory effort.
Rather than thinking of ways to take profits from oil companies and their shareholders to place in the greedy hands of Congressmen, maybe they should instead look at ways to reduce the regulatory burdens on oil companies so they can spend those profits on ways to get more oil and decrease our dependence on foreign oil and a few vulnerable refineries scattered around the country?
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